So this week was a DOOZY, right?!? We couldn't contain ourselves to just 8 questions this week -- we have 11 questions! The first 5 are not Waverly-centric which leaves the last five to be all very Waverly-Centric. Buckle up because we're in for a wild ride the next couple of eps!
We have five commentators joining us tihs we
Earpnado (@earpnado)
Lynn (@lynn_rachels)
Office (@nedleysoffice)
Lindsey (@xfbard)
Laura (@usuttontorwort)
Let's get to it!
1. Give us a few words that just describes your
initial reaction to this episode.
Lynn – Wow, that was a lot of stuff covered in an
hour! I am going to have to watch it several more times just to take it all in!
*Dark Angel Waverly…what a way to end the episode!
Laura – What? Huh? How? Why?! The fuck? What the fuck?! Jesus, what’s next? No idea.
Earpnado – I took one look at Waverly with the shorts and the wings and the thigh highs and the leg band thing and the arm cuffs and forgot every word in the English language. Just assume I felt and am feeling every single emotion that has ever existed when I think about what happened in this episode and the fact that we may only have two eps left and NOPE THAT’S ENOUGH OF THAT.
Lindsey – I feel like the best way to describe it for me is “expected.” Not in the “I knew what was going to happen” way, but more in the way of the fact that we have been building to something BIG with Waverly for a while now. They have talked about her dark corners, her anger, and her inability to harness the power she apparently possesses that it was only a matter of time before that broke free. Now we get to see if Waverly is who we think she is, or if those dark parts of herself will win out.
Office – Holy fuck.
That was my initial reaction. And it’s been three days since it aired but that’s still my general reaction. I barely breathed during all the Jolene scenes. It seemed clear that Waverly was going to go dark but when she actually did, it was just stunning and heart stopping. It’s still stunning and heart stopping.
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2. Before Wynonna chose Cloe, she chose Jeremy over Doc. Was that motivated by the continuing bad blood between Wynonna and Doc or something else?
Lynn – No, Wynonna’s decision was not motivated at
all by the issues she and Doc have been having. Wynonna knew that Jeremy was
working on something that helps combat the fog and thought he was the best
choice. But, when she saw Cleo, Wynonna knew that Cleo was the only real chance
of getting to Waverly. Using the Reaper was a great plan, just too bad he was
overpowered by Jolene.
Laura – No, even when Wynonna is angry she has a way to compartmentalize that and focus on what needs to be done. I mean she’s clearly hurt and angry with Waverly but she’s not just giving up and she’s listening to Nicole, then making a plan to do something else to get Waverly back. So Wynonna at first choosing Jeremy was her doing what a she does, what a hero does. You have to make the tough decisions and sometimes that means you choose one person over another, here it’s Jeremy over Doc (then of course Cleo over them all). I knew as soon as Wynonna went with Cleo it was because of the Reapers and being able to have one take her to Waverly. It was the smart decision. And like Nicole before when she told Doc she knew they’d figure out how to help him, well Wynonna knew they’d figure out how to get everyone out safely later too.
Earpnado – Nah, Jeremy is the fog expert now that NOELLE CARBONE KILLED CASEY, so choosing Jeremy made a ton of sense. To be fair I too would have chosen Chloe, but likely for different reasons than Wynonna did.
Lindsey – I don’t think so. I think in THAT moment Wynonna needed the person who would be most helpful to her. And Jeremy was the one who had been doing research/work on the fog. It was obvious (to me at least) that she regrets SO MANY things that have happened between her and Doc. And as much as it hurt her, she had to leave him behind in that moment in order to try and save her sister.
Office – I actually don’t think it was motivated by bad blood. I think she would have loved to have Doc by her side, but her priority had to be getting Waverly back and the person that would have the best chance to do that wasn’t Doc, it was Jeremy (since he had been working with and had a better understanding of the Fog). I think her barely there brush of his cheek was her way of telling him that, too.
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3. The argument between the Earp Sisters in front of the homestead was brutal. Create a scale of between 1 and [your choice] and then place how much this scene hurt you on that scale and then tell us if you think the words they exchanged were out of line or truthful or both.
Lynn – Not good at putting my feelings on a scale. I thought it was very brave of Waverly and Nicole to step up and try to help Wynonna. Tough love can be just that, tough. Even though there was a lot of truth in Waverly’s words, I know in my heart that she did not mean for her comments to come out the way they did. Unfortunately, Wynonna was not receptive to the intervention and the defensive wall went up and she fired back at Waverly. Sisters fight, sisters say things they regret, but these sisters love each other to the moon and back, so all will be fine!
Laura – So brutal and it’s often the ones we love most that we hurt the most, isn’t it? My scale is 1 to 12 and this scene hurt me at a 25. But also shows just how much love is between the sisters and where each of them is at right now. Waverly and Wynonna are so much alike with Wynonna keeping her pain and what she has to carry inside, trying to keep everyone safe and maybe not handling it as well as she could. But then who is Waverly to judge that when she’s only shared with Doc about the book and how sitting on the throne in the Garden made her feel. All of which I don’t she’d share with anyone either if Doc hadn’t been there first hand to witness it but there she is, holding it inside with how dangerous and scared she is about her angelic powers. They both said some very hurtful things, and I think Waverly did go too far in how she attacked Wynonna. Once again I’m reminded of ep 104 with finding out Waverly had been holding some resentment back toward Wynonna. We think it’s okay to hold these thoughts and feelings in to protect the ones we love but really it’s protecting us and then sometimes we lash out at them instead. I thought about my answer some more and realized that I really am angry at both of them in this moment. Yes, I do think Wynonna is in trouble and she needs to get out of this drinking, passing out, and killing mode (more the drinking issue) so Waverly was completely in the right to stage an intervention. And really when Waverly has pointed out some of the not so good things in the past, Wynonna has listened and worked with her sister to figure things out and solve them. This time she lashes out and storms off, and maybe it’s because she’s at her lowest point but damn it Wynonna no need to get mean about things. Waverly may have been starting in a good place with talking to Wynonna but she got mean really fast and I’m not entirely sure it’s just the underpinning of Dark Waverly either. I think Waverly’s frustration and trying to have things good in her life, for all the people she loves not just her and Nicole, boiled over and she took it out on Wynonna. Is she jealous still? Doubtful. Is she upset that she has to keep being the one who calms, soothes, and is the most sensible, probably so. But Waverly you of all people should know better than to put the sins of the parent on the child. Too far Waves, too far.
Earpnado – I have 5ish sisters and let me tell you – no one can ever say the shit to you that your sister can. It may have seemed brutal, and it was, but honestly sisters are the only ones who can get away with that level of brutality. We know where your jugular is better than anyone else and the exact time to go for it. But we also know that the love between sisters can overcome absolutely anything, so no sister blow is ever fatal. Forget that I said sister blow.
Lindsey – It was pretty brutal. I’m going to be simple here and use a scale of 1 to 10. For me I would say it was about an 8. Yeah, they said a LOT of things, but I don’t think there was anything that they can’t come back from. Like most arguments, a lot of what they said to each other contains bits of truth. Yes, Wynonna does what she does to keep people safe, but as of late is that ALL it is? And Waverly was also correct in saying that Wynonna’s drinking and reckless behavior presents a problem that they really need to deal with. Now, were they out of line? Yes and no. Sometimes the truth hurts, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Unfortunately there are times that we hurt the ones that we love when we ourselves are hurting. My thought is that both Earp sisters regret the way in which some of those things were said, but perhaps this blow up was necessary for them to move forward and try to deal with the issues that are, for lack of a better phrase, driving a wedge between them.
Office – On a scale of 1 to dislocating my shoulder, that scene was having both shoulders dislocated at the same time. It was so painful to watch them attack each other and deliver verbal barbs that they knew would land and hurt. Was there truth in their words? A little? But more I think they were what they knew the other believed to be true; they were the other one’s fears and they exploited those fears… which was made it hurt so much. As I said on Earp Sister Feels episode, there is a part of me that thinks Wynonna was being more unfair in that it’s not Waverly’s fault for being happy; she’s done nothing wrong. Wynonna worked so hard to make sure Waverly could be happy and now that Waverly is happy, Wynonna seems angry at her for it. I understand where Wynonna is coming from and why she feels the way she feels, but intellectually I also don’t think it’s fair of Wynonna.
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4. Rachel never likes that the 'grown ups' never tell Rachel what's going on with Billy. Now, Wynonna didn't tell her it was Billy leading her into the fog (and to his death). Do you think Rachel will mind when she finds this out?
Lynn – You keep asking these questions about what
a teenager will do, and I keep answering that I have not a clue what Rachel
will do. I will stick with that answer. I have no idea!
Laura – I do think Rachel will mind because it’s just one more adult who isn’t being completely honest with her. In her defense, Wynonna didn’t know until she saw it was Billy but I think she had a inkling that it would be him based on the look she gave Cleo. My guess Cleo will tell, if Rachel didn’t hear Cleo saying “goodbye brother” before Wynonna left. My guess is she probably did because in the next ep’s teaser it looked like Cleo was leaving with Rachel in the passenger seat of her car. Rachel is a teenager and really lost so much, been through hell again and again, and I think after witnessing all of this in Purgatory she might have that point where she’s like ‘I’m done, I’m out!’ Wynonna did when she was about Rachel’s age, right? I don’t know that’ll it’ll stick or that Rachel won’t end up coming back to help in someway, maybe even stop Cleo from doing whatever it is she’s planning on because I think there’s still something there for Cleo to do. This is the second biggest ‘X’ factor to come out of 410 for me, not knowing what she’s going to do in the end.
Earpnado – Oh no, teenage girls are famous for being very understanding and never ever seeking revenge. I’m sure that will be totally fine, especially after she spent the whole episode trying to bond with Wynonna. They’ll probably watch some Tik Tok videos together and laugh and laugh.
Lindsey – Does Rachel find out at all? I mean there is a LOT going on right now…. Ultimately, I would say she probably does as it seems that she attempts to use the Clanton marking skill herself. Maybe it’s to see if she can find Billy, maybe it is for a more nefarious purpose. At the end of the day I think Rachel is going to be upset, in the way that most teenagers are upset when something happens with their first “love,” but I also think that Rachel now has a more eyes wide open perspective about what all happens in Purgatory. And maybe that will soften the blow of Wynonna lying to her once again. I guess time will tell.
Office – I’m sure she won’t mind at all. Nothing will go wrong. Upset teenagers make super rational decisions. It will be fine. Considering that Rachel really looks up to Wynonna, it’s not going to hurt even more when she knows it was Wynonna that took Billy to his death, knew that she was doing it, and didn’t tell Rachel that even when she asked. It will be fine. Mhm.
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5. Nicole stood her ground and insisted on being the one to go into the fog with Casey. Was she correct in demanding to go? What were your thoughts on that scene?
Lynn – Yes, I do believe it was Nicole’s turn. She
stood her ground, explained her reasoning and would not take no for an answer.
I really like this entire scene. The best part was when Wynonna fixed Nicole’s
mask and their eyes looked deeply at each other with a mutual love for Waverly
and respect for each other.
Laura – Hell yes she was correct! Time and time again Nicole let Wynonna go and help Waverly, or Nedley, or Doc, or whomever. Granted Nicole was there for the townspeople during those times as well and she had her hands full with other nasties, but it was definitely her turn as far as getting to Waverly. Nicole kept the homestead safe, kept Purgatory safe as much as they let her, and helped Wynonna get to the Garden. Not to mention that it’s showing that Wynonna needs to realize fully that she’s not the only one in Waverly’s life nor the only one who will be by her side forever. Nicole is also a hero and will go wherever Waverly does, and now it’s her turn to showcase that to the world (and Earps). Also, the look between Wynonna and Nicole when Wynonna fastened the mask on was so, so good. This is how you know you have two great actors who can speak without words and their shared looks said “I trust you, you’re my bf, she’s must sister, you got this” and “I’m coming back, I’ve got her, we’ve got this, and you’re my bf.” How do we not have 10 seasons of this! Wynaught forever!!!
Earpnado – After 18 months of foreplay, I’d say Nicole deserved a big finish. Our poor ginger sheriff has been dying to help and DO SOMETHING. It’s a testament to their friendship and how much she trusts Nicole that Wynonna ultimately agreed. Melanie Scrofano’s face (big fan of the face) did such incredible work in the few seconds after Nicole declared that it was her fucking turn. I legit teared up at Nicole being vulnerable enough to admit that she needed this and then Wynonna trusting her so much that she agreed to let Nicole go in her place to save the most important thing in the world to both of them.
Lindsey – Yes, she was absolutely correct in demanding to go. Not only because she was left behind when Wynonna went into the garden, but also because as Waverly’s fiancé she now has equal “rights” as Wynonna when it comes to the responsibility of trying to keep Waverly safe. I think this scene not only depicted that Nicole still carries the scars of her 18 months alone and continues to live with the fear that she will be left alone once again, but also that Wynonna is still struggling with the idea that she isn’t the most important person in Waverly’s life anymore. What this scene shows is Wynonna’s acknowledgement of Nicole’s place in Waverly’s life, that she trusts her to keep her sister safe, AND that she is working toward a point where she doesn’t immediately jump to “only I can save her.”
Office – I have to say the way Kat Barrell delivered that line that it was her turn and the crack in voice, it stopped me just as short as it stopped Wynonna. Brilliant. But to be honest, I couldn’t quite figure out her motivation. I mean, *was* she the right person for that job? Should she have really been the one to go in there? Or was she just terrified of being alone again and so she’d rather die than lose Waverly again. Being willing to die doesn’t necessarily make you the best choice for the job. But, since Wynonna agreed to it, I know that at least Wynonna believed that if she wasn’t a better choice than Wynonna, she was at least as good a choice.
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6. Okay, we don't even have a question other than: Dark Waverly. Terrifying? Expected? Unexpected? Hot? What are your thoughts?
Lynn – Dark Angel Waverly in tonight’s episode was
unexpected in the way she was released. Having Jolene return to pull it out of
her was both interesting and gut-wrenching. I figured we would eventually have
to see Waverly in her angel state but was completely caught off guard. Wow, how intense were those cabin scenes!
Zoie and Dom were incredible and oh so brilliant! I have faith in Emily and
just tightening up my seat belt because the bus ride over the next two weeks
may get a little bumpy.
Laura – I would like to point out that Dark Waverly is everything beyond my wildest imaginations. I love this wardrobe department, the SPFX crew, and DPC because y’all took it to a whole new level here. I have 300 pages of notes, everyone ready (not really 300 but close!)? Deep down I figured that she wasn’t exactly like Dad because he was loving and good, and saved Nicole as an angel. Yet Waverly when she sat on the throne turned a little nasty, maybe that’s too much, how about forceful. I think whatever happened in the Garden since Julian and JC left turned it a bit on its kiester and I’m sure Bulshar didn’t help things in that respect either. The other thought related to why it’s Dark Waverly and not Light Waverly , is it #WayDark (spit balling here) would be how she came to fully embrace her angelic side. It was through the rage and pain that Jolene was able to pull out of Waverly so therefore it was the darkness that took over. If Waverly had embraced it through love and compassion, much like her healing Mercedes, bringing Julian to life and helping Doc in season 3, then she’d have come through it in a lighter manner. I’d like to go back to the look, which really we’ve only seen teased at this point, of Dark Waverly. It’s not the costume as much but don’t get me wrong the outfits are spot on. I mean dayum! But the subtle changes to Waverly’s character and facial expressions is all Dominique. And Dom reaches another new level with just the few clips and two scenes Dark Waverly has been in already. I can’t wait to see her interactions with Wynonna and Nicole in ep 411 and 412. Yes, 412 because there’s no way I can see Dark Waverly only lasting an episode. There’s too much ground to cover right?! Like Wynonna says, she’s terrifying and beautiful. Also, Jolene said she’d destroy the world but it wasn’t clear to me anyway which world especially after she tells Wynonna she’s done. Did she mean as in the world will end so night-night? Or did she mean “hey, you did a great job as the heir but it’s my turn to finish them all off?” and she’s going to destroy all the demons and monsters once and for all? She clearly is going after BBD which needs to be got but is she going after them, the demons/monsters they have jailed up, the humans no matter their allegiance? I have no fucking idea but bring it all on!
Earpnado – Have I mentioned that my type is dark and trouble? It’s like the Wynonna writers crawled into my brain and said “here, we got this for you”. Throw in Dom P-C and I MAY NOT SURVIVE THIS. Someone tell my family that I died saving puppies and nuns from a nun puppy convent fire and not lusting over a dark bisexual angel on a demon hunting sci-fi cowgirl show.
Lindsey – I think for me Dark Waverly was a bit expected. We have seen the powers she is attempting to repress and the insinuations that she has dark places that are yet to be explored. In my mind it was only a matter of time before all of that was set free. Being expected doesn’t make her any less terrifying though. I think what scares me the MOST about her is the fact that she may not “feel” anything for the people in her life, and what will be the consequences of that? What decisions will she make without the emotional impacts of which weighing on her? I will admit that short-haired Waverly is hot (not that she wasn’t attractive before, but I dig the hair ok), dark angel or not. So, there is that. She may reign hell down upon Purgatory, but she will look damn good doing it.
Office – Yes. All. As I said in the opening question, it was expected in that the hints of her darkness have been dropped since S1, but then when she was revealed she was also unexpectedly terrifying. She was truly beautiful and glorious but also our poor Waverly. Waverly has such depth of love and light and so, since “The Universe love balance” you have to believe Dark Waverly has such depth of hate and darkness. Or… is the opposite of love hate or is it indifference? That’s what she seems like – completely indifferent. And that’s scary. Physically she was so striking and yes incredibly hot, lol, but emotionally just so cold.
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7. We found out near the start of the episode that Waverly's book is empty; knowing what we know happened throughout the episode, any thoughts on what that means or how it might get written?
Lynn – First of all, let me say again how excited
I am to actually get something correct. I knew Waverly took her own book
because she was so curious about herself and what it means to be a half-angel.
As for why the hell it is empty, all I can come up with is that until she
accepts that she is Waverly Gibson the daughter of an Angel and not the third
daughter of Ward Earp, her story really hasn’t begun. After this episode, her
inner angel has been released. I will be curious to see what transformation (if
any) her book has made to its contents?!
Laura – I think it means that Waverly Gibson’s book is blank, Waverly Earp’s book has been written this whole time. Waverly, by blood, is not an Earp (yes, yes, Earpiest Earp of them all) and she’s never had the chance or knowledge to be Waverly Gibson, daughter of Julian the angel and Michelle Gibson earthly mother. So really there’s no story to tell yet, so there would be nothing written there. Now I don’t think it’ll start to write itself because she turned into Dark Angel Waverly, fall angel Waverly, have we come to a consensus on this yet? I do however think it means that there is nothing stopping her from writing her own story (cue the music) without the baggage of family, etc. What adds to this mystery is that Waverly never told anyone about the book, and I’m going to assume what she and Doc had to do in the Garden. Does that mean she never said anything about Eve masquerading as people she loves? Oh shit, is the book only blank because she removed it from the Garden?! Or maybe it was written with disappearing/reappearing ink, ah ha!
Earpnado – Assuming that we’re all going to make the “she’s the only one who can write her story” joke here. I also assume that the story she writes will include a cheerleading uniform or angel wings and oh God I just imagined her in the cheerleading uniform AND angel wings and now I need a lie down.
Lindsey – Waverly’s book, what a conundrum. My HOPE is that now that she has let the inner angel out that there will be SOMETHING in that book. Maybe it will just document her story, maybe it is something more nefarious or innocuous. What I would like to see is that the book now holds some clue as to how to bring Waverly back to herself. Maybe it is a guide book to her loved ones on how to best reach her and help her control the inner-darkness. I guess we will all see…
Office – I am confused by the empty book and surprised! All of us speculating what is in the book and the writers of course threw the twist in there that NOTHING is in the book! Amazing. I did go back and look at it the one other time we saw it in the Garden right after Waverly got it and it was blank then, too, so I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised, heh. There are two thoughts about the blank book. One, the book title is Waverly Gibson. But… her name is Waverly Earp, and she’s the Earpiest Earp. Waverly Gibson doesn’t exist any more than Wynonna Gibson exists. So, maybe the book is blank because Waverly needs to know and feel that she is an Earp full stop. My other thought is that this show has so frequently hinted at fate and how ‘sometimes life chooses for us’, which would indicate that the book would have all the answers as to what is going to happen. But this book being blank really speaks to the idea of Waverly’s story isn’t written. Julian told her her ‘destiny’ is to be the Guardian of the Garden and she was briefly; Jolene thinks her ‘destiny’ is to be a fallen angel and right now, at least, Waverly does seem to be embracing that but may end up rejecting that, too. So, in some ways I hope the book is never written, because that means life doesn’t choose for us entirely but we also choose how we live.
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8. At the beginning of the episode Waverly held Peacemaker with no problems, but by the end she was burned. What do you think that means about her true nature, especially considering she told Jolene that Peacemaker deemed her "unworthy" to wield it.
Lynn – Peacemaker is a fickle gun! She fires when
she wants, lets a certain few handle her (that can change with her moods), and
she glows different colors in different situations. I think that Peacemaker
burnt Waverly’s hand in the cabin because of all the negative demonic energy
around. Peacemaker was not going to be a party in this fight between Waverly
and Jolene.
Laura – I really don’t think it means much about Waverly’s true nature so much as Peacemaker’s nature. Waverly was spot on though because Peacemaker did deem Jolene “unworthy” to hold it but then it turned around and did the same thing to Waverly. At that point too, Waverly was starting to dip into the well of anger that Jolene was bringing out in her which is different than how she was coming at Waverly the last time. That time she wanted Waverly to bring herself down and made her feel worthless, useless. This time Jolene tapped into the fear of the power to force Waverly to use and embrace it fully. Another reason why I think Waverly is dark and not light right now is because of how she came to embrace that power. So then when she held Peacemaker the second time, Waverly was already starting to feed into that dark power and Peacemaker was having none of it. I’m also leaning toward Peacemaker knowing the difference when someone is using it for personal gain versus more altruistic purposes. Waverly used it to help Wynonna in the past and she was going to shoot demons who were attempting to attack her and Doc (it still didn’t work when she pulled the trigger so she could hold it, just not use it) but as soon as she tried to use it against Jolene which was only attacking her, then Peacemaker was like “nope, drop it sister!” Side note: Peacemaker let Doc hold it when he was at Casey’s and grabbed it, plus he threw it to Wynonna in Glory Hole so the gun let’s anyone hold it for a time. It’s a little too sentient for my taste and if I’m being honest, Peacemaker needs to be left on the throne in the Garden then close and lock all the doors! I’m not entirely sure it hasn’t caused some of the anger and pain for the Earps and has outlived it’s usefulness. Wynonna is a hero even without the damn gun. They all are.
Earpnado – Waverly and Peacemaker have a more complicated relationship than Waverly and strippers. Sometimes she can hold it, sometimes she can shoot it, sometimes it burns her. I can only guess that her current demonic state is impacting things. Either that or it started smoking because of how HOT she is. (I’ll “Liz” myself here) (I didn’t mean for that to sound dirty but read it as you will).
Lindsey – I’m not sure Peacemaker burning Waverly says much about her TRUE inner nature, as we are all a continuous balancing act of “light” and “dark.” What I think it means is that in THAT moment Waverly’s “dark” was in control, whereas earlier in the episode it was the “light.” As for when Waverly said that Peacemaker had deemed Jolene “unworthy” I think that was partly just to get under Jolene’s skin and show the differences between them (since Waverly didn’t know SHE could no longer hold her) and as a way to prove to herself that SHE was still worthy, even though she has this battle raging within between the light and the dark. Peacemaker burning Waverly is DEFINITELY interesting, as it makes me wonder what IS Waverly. How can a child of the light (Julian) be rejected by a demon killing gun? And does her dark come from Julian, or is it the mix of mortal Michelle Gibson’s blood that “taints” her?
Office – Waverly not only held Peacemaker very easily but was also able to pull the trigger (though it wouldn’t fire for her). And as she mentioned, Waverly has been able to fire it before (to save Alice). But immediately after she fired it then, Peacemaker shocked her and forced her to let go of it. We don’t really know how good a judge of character Peacemaker is or what its motives are. But I do think it can sense generally the person that is holding it and recognize evil. And I think it did start sensing that change in Waverly. It isn’t that she’s not worthy, it’s that she’d use Peacemaker improperly and Peacemaker is not down with that.
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9. While talking to Doc, Waverly said that the Garden "took all my cares away, it was like heaven." What do you make of that and how might that effect who she is as Dark Angel Waverly?
Lynn – I have no clue? I do believe the Garden is
an issue that has to be settled and will play a part in the last two episodes.
I also have not forgotten about Julian’s ring. I always felt it was a mistake
for Waverly to throw it away. The Garden was indeed full of deceptions and the
euphoria Waverly felt could very well been a trick. We’ll just have to see how
it all plays out!
Laura – Great question, which makes me rethink everything I’ve written above about Dark Waverly. Sort of. I think she felt it was heaven because it means that she didn’t feel the loss. There was no love to remember, to yearn for, so she didn’t feel the loss of it. There was no anger or sorrow and if you’re neither happy or sad then you just are right? Dark Angel Waverly feeds into that portion and when haven’t we all felt like, even for just a moment, in our lives at some point that it would be better if we could just not feel this at all. But we have to feel all the feelings, the good and the bad, the dark and the light because that’s what makes us human. That’s what makes life worth living knowing that there will be happy and the sad, the ugly side to know the beauty of the other side, and knowing there is an end makes the journey that much sweeter.
Earpnado – I have a vague recollection of another story where a lady was tempted in a garden and if I remember correctly that ended with women being punished for all of time so I’m sure this will turn out fine.
Lindsey – I am SO AFRAID of that actually. My fear is that Waverly is now unencumbered
by her feelings. ALL of her feelings,
both good and bad, and that can only lead to bad things, right? If she doesn’t
care about anyone then she would have no qualms about hurting them. And will
the decisions she makes and the actions she takes destroy any chance she has of
maintaining those relationships? I feel like there is a link here between power
and corruption, but I am too tired to flesh it out completely….
In the end I hope that someone(s) (maybe even Waverly herself) is able to tap back into those emotions and bring Dark!Waverly back from the brink.
Office – This I think was one of the more chilling things Waverly said. And I think that fits into the idea that Dark Waverly is not full of hate but is full of indifference and perhaps that is what’s evil. Waverly has always put other people first, Nicole even talked about how she molded herself to what is expected of her based on the people around her. She also over the last five years have seen the people she loves (especially Wynonna and Nicole) in constant danger and she’s frequently left back in the BBD offices. She must be just constantly worried about everyone and for everyone and wanting everyone to be happy and trying to figure out how to do that. And, clearly, that has been a strain on her. So, when given a period of time when she just didn’t have to worry about anyone else, it was such a burden lifted, probably a quieting of the mind. And that’s what makes it dangerous and so dark, too. I assume when your cares are taken away so is your love. Waverly without love is just… an incomprehensible loss.
But what I also think about Waverly going dark – what caused her to snap is the love for her sister and the ‘I will do absolutely anything to protect her’ mentality. Maybe it’s that same mentality that will bring her back to the light.
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10. Waverly has mentioned being happy several times this season and in 410 said "I can be a hero and a wife" and "I don't want to be an angel or a demon." Do you think Waverly's desire for a "normal" life is part of what has driven her to suppress/deny her powers up to this point?
Lynn – It’s a lot to take in when you find out you
aren’t even an Earp and your father is an Angel. I think the fear of the
unknown has prompted Waverly to try and suppress what it all means
supernaturally. She has been fighting demons/revenants with Wynonna and her
family for so long, that she has no desire to consider that maybe she’s a demon
herself. Waverly says that she will not let something out she can’t control.
She is a strong, smart, young woman who seems to be on the way to blissful
happiness and doesn’t want to screw it up with her powers. Oh well, thanks to
Jolene’s manipulation, we are now going to see exactly what Waverly was trying
so hard to suppress! Hope it all turns out okay?!
Laura – I don’t think it’s normality that Waverly has been chasing because really, what is normal. I think fear and loss have been much more present for Waverly and she wants to know a life with more love, family, and light instead. Both fathers were killed, one who treated her like crap, then she was picked on by her eldest sister who eventually tried to kill her love and release the revenants from the GRT. Waverly grew up with no one but her Aunt and Uncle when Wynonna left town and I’m sure for a time the kids at school were not kind to Waverly. Then she grew up thinking he mom was dead only come to find out that she was charged with trying to kill Waverly, but oh wait she really was trying to protect her from a demon. She’s watched Nicole almost die, she’s got a power inside her that has scared her ever since Bobo called her kin, and she’s watching her sister drink herself into a stupor while killing demons. She’s more afraid of losing those she loves and being alone I think than anything else. She craves the stability over “normal” which is still not a foregone conclusion in life no matter what but sometimes it takes a while for any of us to figure that out. When she says she doesn’t want to be an angel either is because she knows from Kevin and Julian, plus her time in the Garden, that means she doesn’t get to be with her loved ones and again, not losing that means ‘I don’t want any of it.’
Earpnado – I think Waverly likely has not wanted to express her powers because she’s afraid of the darkness that comes with them. Bobo warned her ages ago that she has something dark inside of her and Waverly remembers everything. She has to know something we don’t know, especially since she’s seen the script and we haven’t.
Lindsey – Yes, I absolutely do. I think that for her whole life she has seen how Purgatory treated Wynonna and she doesn’t want THAT. So, like Nicole said WAY BACK in season 1, Waverly has been tailoring herself to be what people wanted her to be. And it’s only been since Wynonna returned and Nicole came into her life that she has allowed herself to be more of who she truly is. And as she has slowly let go of that control and the darker bits have started to beat against the wall of the cage, so to speak. I also think that Waverly was so deeply afraid of what would happen if she just let go, that she has been keeping an iron grip on anything that isn’t bright and shiny. And now that control has been wrested away from her and an entire lifetime of repressed power is free it will be very interesting to see what happens.
Office – I’ve been thinking a lot about this; I don’t think Waverly wants a ‘normal’ life. I think she wants an extraordinary life. I think she wants to be heroic but also not give up love and a family life. She wants it all and she deserves it all. I have always thought that since she found out she was an angel and she was special, she didn’t seem too keen about it. Kind of a grass is always greener situation. When Kevin told her told she’d have to sit on the throne she didn’t like that. When she killed Mam Clanton, she didn’t seem thrilled about that power. So I think she’s torn – I think she wants to be happy and she wants to be special, but maybe not too special. I don’t think I’ve made any sense with this answer but there it is, lol.
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11. What didn't we ask that we should have and what is the answer to that?
Lynn – The only question I can come up with is,
“How in the heck is Emily going to tie all these loose ends together in two
episodes?” You know I have no clue. Don’t even want to speculate. Just want to
sit back and see it unfold and trust in our Bus Driver!
Laura – So many GD questions! Where did the book go after BBD grabbed Doc? Did he hide it on himself? Drop it in the woods by the stairs?! Does BBD have it?! Where the hell did Nicole get off to and how did the fog throw her out but not Wynonna? Is the fog inextricably linked to Waverly and she’s not arguing with Wynonna right now, so she saved Nicole? And the last big one, who will save us from Dark Angel Waverly? I don’t think we’ll get all of these answers in ep 411 but I am stoked for the next two episodes. And my answer for the last question is…Michelle.
Earpnado – How dare Zoie Palmer have that face and also have the nerve to be that talented? Great question, there is no answer. She’s been on 2 episodes of this show and yet is one of the most memorable characters we’ve encountered. Her chemistry with Dom is so great that I had very conflicting feelings and found myself yelling KISS KISS KISS several times, even though I’m ride or die WayHaught for life. She’s THAT good. And as usual, shout out to the Wynonna Earp costume dept who said what’s better than a plaid shirt? A plaid crop top shirt. They seem to have a rule that if your arms are covered your abs have to be out and I do not hate it.
Lindsey – (apparently Lindsey was all out of words as she didn’t submit the answer to this one, lol)
Office – Who is controlling the fog? Where is Eve and where has she been? Will Doc have to make Mercedes a Vampire to save her? Will Jeremy and Doc escape or will they become demon food? How will the gang get BBD to call off the bombers who want to make Purgatory a giant hole in the ground? What color will Peacemaker light up if Wynonna points it at Waverly? If Nicole kisses Waverly while she’s dark, what will she taste like? Will we get our Waverly back? Will there be a WayHaught wedding or a DarkHaught wedding? How will we possibly finish all this in just two episodes?!?!?!?!? I have no answers to any of it!!
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