Wow! We certainly were processing a lot of feelings this week! Join us for a Halloween romp through our emotions in this week's 'Round the Fire Pit': a Round Table Discussion of Wynonna Earp!
This week around the table we have:
Earpnado (@earpnado)
Lynn (@lynn_rachels)
Office (@nedleysoffice)
Kayla (@ViewserAlert)
Lindsey (@xfbard)
Laura (@usuttontorwort)
IN ADDITION, we opened up one question to all Earpers. We've picked three answers to include that we really enjoyed! Thanks to all those that sent in answers for that! We hope to open one question to all each week!
So, without further ado...
1) So, we found out what was up with Robin and, thus, perhaps a little about why Jeremy was away during the 18 months 3 weeks and 4 days. Does that change anything about your opinion regarding how he kind of ghosted Nicole (Nicole's words)?
Kayla – For me, not really? I’d like to start by
saying that Varun absolutely slayed that scene and made me feel all of the
things. Of course, I feel empathy for Jeremy, for having to carry the guilt
that he asked Robin to jump and he did it without question. That it’s his fault
that Robin is the way he is, and so what else can he do but to make sure that
he’s as happy as possible. It reminds me of the Doc line from season 2 when he
tells Wynonna that he would do anything to ensure her happiness. But back to
the question – does this change anything about ghosting Nicole? Nicole was
practically raising a teenager, defending the Homestead, searching for
Peacemaker, trying to figure out how to get to the garden, and missing the hell
out of Waverly. She had more than enough going on, and still tried to make sure
that Jeremy was okay. I think in my mind the thing that justified Jeremy’s
actions was the fact that Black Badge was tapping into his calls, and he wanted
to protect Nicole from whatever the “new” Black Badge might do if they knew everything.
Lynn – This new information fills in some gaps and answers some questions. Hindsight is 20/20 and all of us wish at one time of another we would have handled something differently. I don’t think Jeremy meant to ghost Nicole, but days turned into weeks, and weeks into months, and he just couldn’t find his way back. I wish Nicole and Jeremy would have had each other during that time because it could have helped and comforted both of them!
Office – Yes and no. Obviously I feel bad for Jeremy and he was dealing with a lot a lot and we get a better idea of what he went through during those long 18 months. But in some ways, it makes even less sense to NOT talk to Nicole. For both Jeremy and Nicole had lost the person they love, and they were losing their town. You’d think they could support each other. True, Jeremy needed to be fully aligned with BBD in order to be able to use their equipment and resources but it still seems odd and sad to me that he didn’t communicate Nicole and both of them could have worked together. But on the third hand, we all deal with grief in our own way; maybe contact with anything Purgatory (including Nicole) was just too painful. Ugh, I just want to hug them all.
Laura – Yes and no. Let’s face it we’ve all been there where we took on things ourselves either out of guilt or thinking we are helping those we love by not pushing more crap on top of them. I think in Jeremy’s case it was a bit of both because he clearly blames himself for what happened to Robin since he asked him to jump and find everyone else. But then he also didn’t want it to weigh on Nicole (or anyone else once they came back from the garden) when she clearly was having a hell of a time in Purgatory herself. She was drugged, broke her leg, raising a teenager, keeping the homestead safe, Purgatory safe, where’d Nedley go…I mean she had some shit to deal with right?! So is Jeremy the type of person to put even more on her shoulders, no. He’s going to make the sacrifice and keep all of that bottled up and try to fix it himself. Here’s the thing, it never works out well for anyone doing it that way. Jeremy could use everyone’s help in this if nothing more than to have a shoulder to cry on and lean on for emotional support. Then there’s the gang of misfits that always seems to win out in the end, they can help him figure it out. So really, buck up Jeremy and stop trying to be the hero…alone. You’re all the damn hero and y’all need to work together on this. Nicole did go to Jeremy when she frogged up and needed to break the curse, right? So, to answer your question yes it changes what I thought was going on with him and no, because I’m still upset he didn’t trust himself enough to tell others and believe they were strong enough to also take more bullshit on.
Lindsey – Oh Jeremy. My heart broke for him when it was revealed that Robin had been mind-erased by the Garden fog. Naturally it changes how I feel about the whole situation, but I do think that they both could have avoided/lessened a lot of anger, hurt, and misunderstanding if he had just told Nicole what was happening. Team Earp are still not the best at communicating. You would think that by now they would all realize that they are better when they lean on each other.
Earpnado – I assume by ghosted you mean how Jeremy literally killed Haught and turned her into a ghost right? With this show you have to be specific. Either way, Jeremy has clearly been through some shit and has had to make some tough choices. Technically ghosting her was nicer than the Vegan Revenge he pulled on his boss so hopefully all is forgiven.
2) Let's talk about favorite costumes -- which one was
yours and why??
Kayla – Tim looked AMAZING as Freddie Mercury.
That was my favorite costume in terms of the quality and the closeness to
reality. But to have Wynonna and Waverly choose their costumes at the Glory
Hole without knowing who they were was my favorite. Wynonna subconsciously
choosing the superhero costume, knowing somewhere inside that no matter what
happens, saving the day is going to come down to her. And of course, Waverly’s
angel costume was… an absolute WIN by the costume department! I love that the
first memories of Waverly’s that started to trickle in were that she likes red
hair, and that she’s an angel (well, half-angel). I also wonder if those
costumes might be a little fore-shadowy? Everyone knows the hero has to make
sacrifices to save the day. Waverly’s “guardians of the garden do not get to
love” line really drove that home. What will Wynonna have to give up to save
Purgatory yet again? And how will Waverly’s still mysterious angel powers and
connection to the garden come into play in the next 4 episodes? Can’t wait to
see how it all plays out, I’m sure it’ll be totally fine and not at all heart
shattering.
Lynn – I loved all the costumes! Wynonna as Britney was a perfect choice! Waverly and her cute little ladybug costume matched her loving personality. The best costume in my opinion was Doc as Freddie Mercury! It just seems like Doc would have tapped into so many types of music while driving Charlene and Queen would have been right up his alley! The costume itself was flawless! Doc couldn’t have looked or acted more comfortable in it. I know Tim was extra excited! This show never ceases to raise the bar of excellence!
Office – My favorite costume is one we didn’t see – little, tiny kid Waverly Earp in a pair of adult overalls stuffed with hay probably squealing with joy when she got candy. How cute would she have been?!?!
Laura – Costumes in the episode, right? I mean really no offense to Wynonna who looked great as Britney but Freddie Mercury. All. The. Way. Doc looked good and it took me a minute to realize he was holding the mic in Shorty’s and then he took it with him when he went running after the sisters. Ha ha ha that’s going all in again eh Doc. Plus with that mustache really what other costume would do. I think Doc’s is twenty times better than Freddie’s. Now, if only they let him sing a Queen song…
Lindsey – Angel Waverly, hands down. From the wings, to the arm bands, to her hair, and the little eye jewels. It reminded me a little of the Amazons in Wonder Woman. And who doesn’t LOVE that? An angel wearing an angel costume was pretty purposeful, but that aside, I REALLY loved that look.
Earpnado – My favorite was the costume I was wearing, which was a person who thought I knew what Robin looked like. A close second was the nothing Wynonna was wearing at the beginning of the episode. If love lives in the butt Wynonna has a really great love.
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3) While talking to Casey Doc confessed that his
greatest love is Wy...the Earp sisters. Yet not ten minutes prior he was
flippant with Amon, saying that Wynonna loves nothing more than to turn her
back on her exes. Do you think Wynonna bears all the blame for the stalled
status of their relationship or are they both equally responsible?
Kayla – I think that true unconditional love is
much more complicated than this. I’d imagine for Doc that at least part of his
reaction to Amon was surprise and hurt that Wynonna would go back to old
habits, when Doc just wants her to be better. It shows that he is still
justifiably upset by what happened with Holt. But is Doc really going to share
his true feelings with someone like Amon? No! He’s going to share them with
someone like Casey. I think that Amon represents the kind of demon Doc is
walking away from (literally), while Casey represents maybe someone that Doc
strives to be more like in some way. Casey’s open heart (dance like nobody’s
watching, I mean come on!) and heroic spirit are what open Doc up to be real. I
think Doc recognizes that Wynonna needs to find her way on her own, and he
can’t be another crutch for her questionable choices. But that doesn’t mean
that he doesn’t love her, or has given up hope that they could find a way back
to each other.
Lynn – I am not placing the blame on either of them completely. As Waverly so eloquently put it in the last episode, “And their love for one another, it’s not fake. It just gets buried day-to-day under hurt…and pride.” Wynonna and Doc have their own way of masking hurt, disappointment and fear. Their whole relationship has been a push and pull. The bottom line for me is that when all is said and done, Wynonna and Doc have each other’s back. Sure, there is blame to share, but there is also a whole lot of love!
Office – I… I don’t know that either one of them is at fault entirely. I think Wynonna did something that she knew was against the code and Doc just couldn’t go there with her. And Doc was ready to be okay with forgiving the family that wanted to steal and kill their baby and Wynonna couldn’t go there with him. I wonder if both of them think the other one is the one keeping them apart and so then, in fine characters-of-Wynonna-Earp fashion, they don’t talk about it but instead engage in potentially destructive behavior, lol. Clearly they both love each other with their entire souls, but they both also have a code against which the other one rubs against or violates. They’re such star-crossed lovers, especially compared to Waverly and Nicole being stars-aligned lovers and it’s so hard to watch. Again, ugh, I just want to hug them all.
Laura – Ok, first Doc was flippant with Amon because he would never give an adversary the benefit of the doubt on knowing how he really feels about the situation. He’s pretty good with keeping his poker face set, I mean he is a gambler after all. But to the point at hand it takes two to tango. Wynonna and Doc have been running circles around each other and how they feel since the beginning. Neither is really prepared to admit to anything otherwise Doc wouldn’t have had to swallow what he really meant and say the Earp sisters. But then again I’m not entirely sure it’s untrue either. Everyone knows how close Wynonna and Waverly are and it’s not just to do with being an Earp (especially since technically Waverly isn’t an Earp). But the sisters is the greatest love story of the show *hard stop* Doc knows it and he’s done everything to make sure they stay safe and together but he also is thoroughly in love with Wynonna and can’t admit to her outright. And her shooting Holt in the back has put a bigger chasm between them and that’s all on Wynonna for doing it, but not why it’s keeping them apart. Doc is lost and he’s not sure what’s completely right in his life anymore so still a fish out of water. Wynonna is scared and lost a bit and when you see a bad guy, you shoot a bad guy is kind of where she’s at. Both of them need to figure this out and then they can be together because I am still Wyndoc is endgame!
Lindsey – I think that both Wynonna and Doc bear equal parts of the blame. Wynonna is acting out, being a bit self-destructive, and actively being hostile and avoiding Doc. And Doc is making it clear that he is no longer capable of walking the same path as Wynonna. I think if those two knuckleheads would actually TALK then they may be able to break the stalemate that they are living under, but then again, who knows, talking might only make it worse. As I’ve said before, I think it’s going to take some major crisis to get these two back on the same page and hopefully back to the WynDoc we know and love.
Earpnado – I think we can all agree that Wynonna and Doc don’t have what we would call a healthy relationship or even make good decisions in their own individual lives. Doc became a vampire, Wynonna killed a Clanton. They both have some self-sabotaging behaviors but at the end of the day that kind of connects them because they understand each other better than anyone else ever could.
4) That last scene with the Earp sisters (and then Nicole) was a roller coaster of emotions and growth and love and change. Word vomit all your feels and your biggest takeaway from it.
Kayla – I loved the acknowledgement that Wynonna
has also been this heroic figure in Waverly’s life, and even though Nicole has
taken a certain (permanent!) role in Waverly’s life, the role that Wynonna has
always held in her life will never change. What a fragile moment, for Waverly
to approach the subject that Wynonna had been avoiding the whole episode.
Waverly’s happy, she’s engaged, she’s getting married, Nicole is her person…
but Wynonna is still what she’s always been in Waverly’s eyes. Her hero. I
think the Nicole interruption came at a terrible time, I would have loved to
see how the rest of the conversation would have played out between the Earp
sisters. But it was also a necessary metaphor for how things have changed. At
the last Earp sisters fireside chat in season 3, Wynonna jokingly said that
Nicole couldn’t be buried with her and Waverly. But this time she sees that
it’s Nicole who will have Waverly and will be responsible for making her happy
for the rest of her life. It was such an important moment for Nicole and
Wynonna too – Waverly seems to always be seeking approval from Wynonna in her
relationship. Waverly’s smile after Wynonna said that Waves finally picked a
smart one. The way Waverly silently looked to Wynonna for her reaction before
proposing to Nicole (the second time). We needed to see Wynonna explicitly give
that acceptance to Nicole, and I think to time that moment alongside the
conversation with Waverly made perfect sense. Oh yeah, and STETSON!!
Lynn – The greatest joy I experienced with this scene was the stillness, calm and peacefulness! All the episodes seem to go, go, go from one adventure/crisis to another. I was so happy to see the Earp sisters sitting and talking to each other. The love, the warmth, the bond that shone through was incredible. The Earp sisters are the heart of our little shitshow! Then throw in Nicole and you can continue to see the admiration, respect, and love each of these characters have for one another! You are and always will be my hero, Wynonna Earp! The show and the character!
Office – UGH, right in the feels I mean RIGHT in the feels! I also found it interesting just how it progressed physically. It started with Waverly laying down, her head in Wynonna’s lap, popping a marshmallow whole into her mouth, clearly the little sister. She then sat up next to Wynonna, in the same cross-legged pose – she was Wynonna’s equal. Then after Nicole entered the scene, Waverly stood up and was now above Wynonna and looking back and down, even giving her advice to call Doc. And finally, Waverly left with Nicole. In this one scene Waverly metaphorically grew up moved on while Wynonna didn’t move at all. The scene ends focusing on Wynonna still in the same place even as you hear happy laugher of Waverly and Nicole retreating behind her. And I have to believe that’s what Wynonna is feeling; that this whole time she’s been fighting and protecting Waverly so that Waverly CAN live a more normal life and now that Waverly is getting that and going off on her own adventure and life, and maybe doesn’t need Wynonna as much… where does that leave Wynonna? (PS, you guessed it, ugh, I want to hug her).
Of course, I can’t NOT mention… the Stetson. The dark uniform. The khakis. The hand on her belt. Yes, yes, yes, and thank you very much, yes.
Laura – This whole episode felt like season 1 all over again, didn’t it? I mean the sisters kind of showing their love and being at each other’s side while also kind of harboring some jealousy. Only this time roles were reversed on that part. And then roles were really reversed when they were fogged. I love when the sisters are together and playing off of each other because they know and love each other so well. Plus they’ll do anything for each, and have! Died, killed, tried killing each other (sort of). I said it before, this is the greatest love story of the show as it should be and I’m here for it. They can clown around and be mad at each other but at the end of the day, there’s a campfire and the love. And then a porno with Nicole..which by the way Wynonna’s reaction made me laugh. I’m laughing so hard now I can barely type my answers out! Did you notice that it was a Nicole Interruptus and even Wynonna being there and talking didn’t stop Wayhaught from being way…hot? It’s reaffirming that these two strong, capable women can rely on each other even when they’re at odds with each other. That the love shines through, always. Also, I want some smores now and finally seeing the homestead in spring it’s kind of nice knowing these two can have their chats without freezing outside.
Lindsey – One of my biggest takeaway is that Wynonna is just so sad. Is she happy that Waverly has Nicole, of course she is. All she has EVER wanted is for Waverly to be happy, but I think she sees their lives, her and Waverly’s, are starting to go in two different directions. And yeah, Waverly isn’t physically going anywhere, but she admitted that Nicole is HER PERSON. Up until this point Wynonna has been her person AND her hero. And how do you continue to be a hero if the one person you’ve been fighting for your entire life now has someone else?
As for Waverly, I think she knows Wynonna is struggling, but she also knows that Wynonna has to walk her own path. All she can do is reassure her that she’s still there, married or not. As for Waverly herself, she is happy! You can see it in her face every time she talks about Nicole. And talks about getting married. Waverly has come so far on her life journey and it’s amazing to see.
Then there is Nicole. Khaki wearing, Stetson sporting Nicole. Bless her! She dragged out those pants that she hated because Waverly asked her to. THAT’S love. Beyond that I think Nicole also realizes that Wynonna is having a tough time and she is trying to both give her space and let her know that she isn’t taking Waverly away. They are just joining ALL of their lives together.
Look how far ALL of our babies have come!!
Earpnado – I blacked out after Haught put the Stetson on. Was there more?
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5) If the six main characters (Wynonna, Waverly, Doc, Nicole, Jeremy, Nedley) HAD to choose one among them to lose their memory forever, who would volunteer and who would eventually be the one to lose their memory.
Kayla – There is no way in hell that they would
permit each other to do this. There are only two scenarios that I can plausibly
see in my head: Jeremy or Doc. (I’d say Nedley, but I don’t think he’d be
willing to forget Chrissy). Jeremy, because the love of his life has already
lost his memory (possible forever). I think he would volunteer, to forget the
pain and the guilt of it all. And I think his reasoning might just be sincere
enough to convince the rest of the team to allow him to go along with it. In
terms of Doc, I think he would volunteer to save the others. Especially after
Doc’s comment when seeing the video of Wyatt, that he doesn’t have the luxury
of forgetting what he’s done. Doc’s story to this point has been about how the
past comes back to haunt him. First, in the form of his decision to make a deal
with the stone witch. Then his ex-wife coming back to turn him into a vampire.
Without the weight of his past decisions, I wonder what kind of man (okay,
vampire) he would turn out to be.
Lynn – All 6 of them would volunteer to be the one to lose their memory. But, while the Wynonna gang were having a heated, yet loving, conversation at Shorty’s going back and forth giving reasons why one or the other couldn’t do it, Nedley was slipping out the back and taking care of it!
Office – First off, this question is rude. I came up with it and I should be slapped. Second, I think they would all volunteer – they wouldn’t necessarily want to, but they would because they’re all that good. But I do think they’d reason Wynonna couldn’t lose her memory – she’s still the Earp Heir and Purgatory still needs her. Purgatory also still needs Waverly’s expertise and knowledge and Nicole’s ability to police the town. Doc also has a lot of historical knowledge and also I think it would be a bad idea for a vampire to not remember he’s a vampire. Jeremy’s science has been critical to a number of antidotes / cures they’ve used so that’s not a great idea for him to lose his memory, though from a personal perspective it might be sweet if he and Robin can start over again and maybe find their way back to each other. That leaves Nedley. Oh, Nedley. He’s had a good life.
Laura – So this wouldn’t be the same person because I think all of them would volunteer, Jeremy probably being the most grudgingly volunteer or at least the last one. He and Waverly probably the last two as they’d have that academic sense of finding another way but then eventually they’d be like, “nope, I’ll do it!” Now, who would eventually do it that would be Doc. Because of all the people who have memories of things they want to forget and tend to take the more awkward way out of things it’s Doc. He wanted to live forever not once but twice, granted for different reasons but still, he did it and sacrificed relationships and bits of his character too. And after what he said to Casey I think he’s carrying so much grief that it’s that he’d want to lose most of all. He’d also say that if things were really meant to be, he’ll find his way back to his family eventually.
Lindsey – I think Nicole would volunteer (dang her!), thinking it would be the least catastrophic choice. Ultimately though, if we were looking at it as if it were to happen today, I think Jeremy would be the one to go through with it. The situation with Robin, the guilt and grief and heartache that he is carrying…that is enough to make anyone willing to step up and forget. I think he would want to just start over and not feel all the loss.
Earpnado – I think Nedley would do it simply to erase the memory of what he did to Calamity Jane. In my head Nedley walks around all day like everything is fine but sits bolt upright in the middle of the night every night covered in sweat reliving that moment over and over like his own personal feline Groundhog Day.
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6) That was a super interesting exchange between Wynonna and Waverly just before they met Casey; one in which Wynonna seemed kind of angry with/at Waverly, what did you make of that?
Kayla – Wynonna’s number one coping mechanism is
deflecting and distracting. She’s doing it right now with Doc too. Instead of
maybe admitting that she shouldn’t have done what she did, or being honest with
herself and Doc about what she wants, she’s pissed at him (and not letting him
participate in the slapping of ass). I think she’s using the same tactic with
Waverly. Since Wynonna came back to Purgatory, it has been her and Waverly
above all else. Whatever was happening, she and Waverly knew that they were
there for each other no matter what. And now that Waverly is engaged and taking
this huge step in her life, Wynonna is feeling maybe a little left behind? Like
everything is changing? Like everyone else has this potential for a beautiful
future, and she’s doomed to the same curse that has followed her around her
entire life? The way Wynonna asked if Nicole was busy when Waverly made plans
with Wynonna goes to show that it wasn’t necessarily something that had been
happening all that often. Even with siblings who adore each other, I think
there is always a small sense of sibling rivalry. Imagine having a fucking
ANGEL as a sister, who is in love with maybe the only person deserving of it,
and is about to ride off into the sunset? I think her attitude toward Waverly
makes total sense, I just hope the rest of the team can read the lines between
Wynonna’s actions before she does anything more drastic (than sleeping with
Amon, who I once found charming and now find to be a SLEEZE).
Lynn – I am going to speculate that the exchange between Wynonna and Waverly was a little frustration and transference of anger from Wynonna. She is disappointed in herself for the Amon decision, suffering from a little self-pity and poor Waverly gets caught in the crossfire. It probably doesn’t help that Waverly is part-angel inside and out and is positive and upbeat! Wynonna is just having one of those moments when she just wants to bitch, complain and kick a trailer! All that being said, everything is usually done or said for a reason in the Andras world, so hell, who knows what it all means?
Office – I said this in the @EarpSisterFeels discussion but it felt so much like a reversal from 1x04. In 1x04 we find out that Waverly is mad that Wynonna gets to be the special one. Waverly said to Wynonna, “I spent years compiling research on the revenants. I did a four-year university degree by correspondence on ancient cultures and languages because I thought that maybe, MAYBE, I could break the curse. And you, who's never tried to be good at anything in life, got to be the special one... while I just got to be Waverly.” And in this episode Wynonna says, “You’re in love, your life is so perfect, just stop being so goddamn angelic!”
It’s like that they both kind of wanted/want what the other has. Wynonna didn’t want to be the heir, but she was. Waverly didn’t ask to be an angel, but she is. Life chose those for roles for them. But that doesn’t stop the bit of jealousy, even if you know it’s not fair jealousy.
Laura – Wynonna’s scared, and jealous, at how her and Waverly’s lives are going right now. It’s almost a mirror of season one where Waverly ended up being the jealous one because Wynonna handled peacemaker and was the heir, and even had better relationships than say Champ. Waverly hid it well most of the time but Wynonna is right, she does big adult mittens not kit gloves. Right now she’s watching her little sister be in love with someone that’s just as present, they’re engaged, Waverly’s happy (and an angel), and meanwhile Wynonna can’t be with her daughter, Doc, or really anyone else right now. She’s alone and scared and until recently was without peacemaker so she was definitely feeling off-center in the demon hunting department. Plus, she wasn’t the one to save Nicole and get rid of the had of the Clanton clan, it was Waverly.
Lindsey – I think that Wynonna was taking out her hurt and anger on Waverly. Wynonna’s going through some stuff and she is making some not so great choices (sleeping with Amon). She is trying so desperately to have control over something, to feel something, and to find herself worthy that she lashed out at the one person who loves her unconditionally. I don’t think that Wynonna begrudges Waverly’s happiness with Nicole, but I do think that maybe a small part of her felt like as long as she had Waverly by her side that things would be ok. And now that Waverly is essentially breaking off and chasing her own happiness Wynonna is at a bit of a loss. It definitely doesn’t help that WynDoc is currently on the rocks and Wynonna doesn’t see love and happiness as a possibility in her own life.
Earpnado – Wynonna is independent. But there’s a difference between independent and alone and it’s not always an easy line to walk. With her relationship with Doc on the rocks, maybe some guilt about how she killed Billy, constantly fighting for survival in a demon infested town, and now dealing with her baby sister getting married…I guess she has a few reasons to be stressed. Honestly the nicest part of seeing them get mind altering fogged was that Wynonna and Waverly got to be carefree for a bit. With the Halloween theme they kind of gave me Sarah Sanderson vibes too which was fun. Even the anger and fear Wynonna is clearly processing plus the mind altering fog that took Robin’s face couldn’t come close to taking the Earp sisters love for each other.
Alexandra (@AlexSandra31) – I don't think Wynonna was really angry with Waverly. I think that's just Wynonna being Wynonna and not knowing how to deal with her feelings. I think she's really sad and down about everything that is going on with Doc, she was so close to happiness and it slip through her fingers because she did what she thought she had to do cause like she often said She's a hero and sometimes being a hero is making her a killer. She thought Doc could understand that better than anyone but he's on a path of redemption and she feels like she'll never get the chance to be on that path and I think that is making her angry. To come back to her feelings towards Waverly. She sees that Waverly is having a great love story with Nicole, She's happy She's getting married She's gonna have everything that Wynonna feel she'll never get to have and even think she's unworthy of having... And let's not forget in the previous episode everyone was in love with Waverly ! Since season 1 we know everyone loves Waverly (there was a vote she got a sash!). I think Wynonna resent that even if she loves Waverly more than anything in the world and know she deserve the best! I think Wynonna is feeling really Lonely at the moment and one of her biggest fear is to lose Waverly. And even if we know It's unreasonable (we all know we're not thinking straight When we're in a dark place) maybe She's afraid she'll lose her Babygirl once She's married because until Nicole it was Wynonna's role to protect Waverly and make her happy. But now Nicole is doing just that and by getting married they're making it even more official so Wynonna is probably wondering what would be her role in Waverly's life now ? She feels like nobody need her anymore... again she feels lonely... the sigh she let go when Waverly tell her She's getting married on this last scene is an other proof for me.
Nanci (@NParoubek1) – I think Wynonna was cranky with Waverly because she regretted losing her pants in the first place and felt more and more defensive when Waves kept asking about them. Like the last straw, or last piece of faux leather in this case. Perfect Waves who was actually being helpful, and her perfect fiance and her angelic little ways, when Wynonna already said last episode she was tired of feeling guilty for what she is when what she is is necessary. So Wynonna being human and unable to stop taking her frustration out on Waverly, which makes her more frustrated. Even if you know you're being petty doesn't mean you can stop.
Dar (@Darroy) – I think Wynonna is really struggling with Waverly’s engagement. We saw evidence of this in 407 with Wynonna’s disregard for Waverly’s second (third?) engagement celebration at Shorty’s and then her utter lack of planning of the bachelorette party at the strip club. She did no planning and showed such disregard for what either Waverly or Nicole would want as an Girls Night Out to celebrate. I think her difficulty comes from being a bit jealous of the Waverly’s relationship with Nicole (given her current situation with Doc) but also her fear of losing Waverly. I think it’s actually more the fear that is driving her to be sort of dismissive of Waverly’s engagement. Waverly has always been her light and her source of strength and the fear that their relationship will change when she gets married terrifies her. But I think Waverly did a great job in 408 in reassuring Wynonna that she will *always* be her sister and that, in some ways, comes first given their shared history of supporting each other while growing up in a dysfunctional family. Wynonna is still a little shaky but I think Waverly’s reassurance helped Wynonna at least consider the idea that the engagement and marriage is not something to fear.
(thank you also to @earperlovster and @earpBronwyn for submitting answers, too!)
7) The scene at the end where Doc was dragging Amon
into a firelit circle felt a lot like Doc dragging Levi over the line even
knowing what that would do to Levi. Is this a step backwards for the kinder
gentler Doc?
Kayla – Yes, the flashback vibes on this one were
REAL! But my answer is no. When Doc took Levi across the line, he didn’t want
to but did anyway because Bobo had control over Doc. He had to follow Bobo’s
orders to get what he wanted. But by delivering Amon? He was giving the other
demons a chance at the freedom that Doc felt like he didn’t have, maybe not
until now. I think this is just a further sign that Doc is done with this
bullshit, and is ready to break the cycle that has led to where he is in his
life now. I think Doc is done making judgments about what is right or wrong,
and is giving other people the power to decide for themselves. Like he told
Wynonna, there is always a choice.
Lynn – Kinder, gentler Doc can still drag Amon into the firelit circle and offer him up to the demons. Amon crossed the line when he publicly disrespected Wynonna with his comments, sold out Wynonna for money, and then targeted precious Waverly! Doc has had enough of Amon’s behavior and rightfully drags him to receive his just punishment! Not a step backwards in my opinion…a step forward to protect his family!
Office – I actually went back and forth on this. At first I was shocked, like Doc, WTF?!?! However, the main difference I see between this and Levi is that with Levi, Doc did that for himself. In the case of Amon, Doc did that (I think) for the Earp Sisters. Having Amon try to kill them both is not something Doc could look past. Complicating that, however, is the fact that Doc may be angling to be the sole proprietor of the Glory Hole. But I don’t think that’s it. I think Amon is simply too dangerous for Doc to let him hang around so he let those whom Amon previously had a hold over take care of him. Though, Amon is pretty shifty himself and he could easily survive this and be even more dangerous.
Laura – One step forward, two steps back. No, I think this is actually Doc being very set of who he views as the goodie and the baddie. If you break his code, which sleeping with his love, then setting Waverly up to die, and cheating well you’ve broken more than one of Doc’s codes. Therefore, you get served up to the people. Plus, this wasn’t Doc actually carrying out a sentence like with Levi, and Doc was more of an asshole back then too. This was Doc leaving the decision of exactly what would happen up to those less fortunate individuals.
Lindsey – Yes and no. I think it definitely doesn’t jive with the peacemaker approach that he has been taking of late, but at the same time it is very in character as far as wanting to give people (demons) the freedom that he feels that he himself does not have. Honestly I don’t think it really had much to do with Amon personally, it was more along the lines of righting a wrong. Amon had shown himself to be very self-serving. He did them all wrong by locking them in The Glory Hole and Doc was offering up a way for them to take back their freedom and their lives.
Earpnado – It obviously reminded me of S1 Doc, and that was a really fucking great Doc. And it’s not like Amon didn’t have it coming. That’ll teach him to fuck with an Earp ::side eye emoji, eggplant emoji, peach emoji, pants emoji::
8) What didn't we ask that we should have and what is
the answer?
Kayla – How amazeballs in our MA TV rating? I am
so not over how many fucks we get per episode!! There were two that stuck out
to me the most this episode. Waverly’s “I fucking hate Halloween” was the most
genuinely delivered line including the work “fuck” that I’ve ever heard. She
says it so nonchalantly in her new “Wynonna Cop” personality and I just
absolutely loved it. The second was Wynonna’s “mother fuckers!” as Amon drove
her and Waverly off to the Glory Hole. It was SO Wynonna, even when she didn’t
remember who she was. And the fact that it seems to have been improvised by
Melanie based on her tweet to Emily makes it even better. I fucking love this show!!
Lynn – We have seen Bunny and Casey come back in the first two episodes. Will we be graced in the next episodes by any more blasts from the past? I wish I knew the answer to this question. My hopes are Gus, Mama Earp and baby Alice! There are several other possibilities, so who knows?
Office – Waverly’s first instinct was to punch someone and she later admitted to enjoying it, should we be terrified of baby girl? Yes, yes we should be terrified of her, lol. Not permanently, not forever, but there is a lot of anger in her that has been suppressed for a long time and that anger is powerful. Aside from all the hints dropped throughout the series, I also found it interesting that stripped of memories Waverly says, “fuck Halloween”, in direct contrast to how she is when she has memories, just another hint of the anger just below what she shows the world. Question 2: did Waverly not look so adorable in her cop uniform that you just wanted to pick her up and put her in your pocket and carry her around with you everywhere? Yes, that too. She’s very complex, lol.
Laura – There was so much in this episode but one thing we haven’t discussed is what exactly is in those spaghettios at Casey’s place? I mean those are some shiny O’s there Casey. Personally I think he has the wrong snacks too. Mike and Ike? You need some Milk Duds, Cheetos, those honey mustard pretzel bites, doritos, snickers bars, and really can you have the munchies without chips and quac. Have I said too much?
Lindsey – It’s not really a question, more of an observation…How great were the Earp sisters unencumbered by all of their traumatic memories? It struck me that they way Waverly and Wynonna acted AFTER they were fogged might have been indicative of who they would have become if they had not had such a traumatic childhood. Wynonna might have grown up more of a free spirit, free to just be silly, and without the weight of the world on her shoulders. And Waverly, not worried about tailoring herself to be who everyone would 100% love might have been more forward, self-confident, and brazen. All in all, it was super fun to see them in these different roles and what was even MORE fun was to see Mel and Dom just get to be silly.
Earpnado – Where was Cleo this episode? You know, I’m glad you asked. I’m sure she’s somewhere being super relaxed and not planning anything crazy and just generally being her hottie hot hot self. I feel like the Wynonna Writers won’t let anything bad happen to her. I feel it in my groin.
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